Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights now no brakes

[randalpark@xxxxxxx]

Try Bob Hoffmiester at Imperial Heaven for a used switch. He might have 
what you need.

The turn signal lever and horn ring for that car '61 through '63 are 
very rare. They were easily broken, and most were 30 years ago. The 
lever and horn ring are delicate and have to be handled with care. If 
you find a good switch, which shouldn't be that difficult, you can 
improvise something to work for a lever & horn ring until you come 
across what you need.

I used the handle of an old tooth brush in my '62 as a turn signal 
lever for the first 10 years I had the car. It was durable, easy to 
use, and I didn't worry about it. When I found a NOS lever, I was 
thrilled and immediately installed it in the car. Now I am terrified it 
will become broken if someone entering the driver's compartment bangs 
it with their knee. I must say, sometimes I really miss that old tooth 
brush handle. I should have left the NOS turn signal lever warpped up 
and sitting in the glove box. The horn ring story is just as wierd, but 
I'll save it for now.

Bottom line, check with Imperial heaven. They may have everything you 
need, and they are good folks.

Paul W.

-----Original Message-----
From: a1web@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights now no brakes

maybe I am stupid but when you say turn signal switch  do you mean the
mechanics of the lever that you push and pull to activate the signal.
because the orginal broke many years ago when the horn broke all of
these plugged into a electronic device that had six wires going to it. 
that
to broke but after many years looking with never any luck I repaired
the device so that my head lights and tail lights would work . also
backup lights. I put in a turn signal lever that returned to center 
after
each use from a old ford . so when you save switch I dont know what to 
do
. The one I fixed I had to put springs in it from a bic pen . If I
could get a new switch i would it so happens there not available on 
this
planet as far as I can find, the brakes will work if I just disconnect
the vacume line going to that air bellow thing so i dont uinerstand why
you think it has anything to do with the master cylinder. My car is a 
15
year project that now it appears though it looks finished ,is
not drivable not really. I promiced my friend who owned it as he was
dieing that I would restore the car. Now my health is failing its to 
bad
I almost got there.



hot rod <michiganhotrod1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Try looking at Master Tech 
bulletin #161 on the IML site, lots of information on some of the 
issues you have.
Mark

James L BURTON <brnxbmbr@xxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Mark, I'm Jim I had a 
similar sitiuation, with my 60, imperial twenty years ago or so. First 
of all sucking noise, is that an issue  ? Or you might be passing fluid 
in your master, after a long time that piston in there starts to 
ovalate the cylinder wall of the master. then itll suck that peddal 
down if you have a good vacume. Brakes have ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM with 
imps in 59 -61. I just 3 day ago put a front end conversion with 
corvette master cyl and a Ford super duty roters calipers. I can stop 
on a dime now with NO STRESS ! your turn signal switch sounds to me 
worn out mabey a wire, but that little ball looking thing in the center 
of the switch has worn down a little that will make it so it won"t stay 
put to do a signal. Maby a replacement is needed there.  Good luck
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Battesby
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights now no brakes


thanks everyone for all your advice still no luck. In the back one bulb 
does blinkers, lights,and brake lights . the car does have back up 
lights also . The car has a wierd brake system. Theres like a bellow 
looking thing that assist the brakes with air. Today when i stepped on 
the brakes they went to the floor and wouldnt come back. I disconnected 
the vacume line going to the bellow air thing , no change . So I 
carefully took it all apart. There was a spring that had bent in two I 
put in a new one. Now as soon as I start the car the bellow sucks in 
pulling the pedel to the floor locking the brakes .. Ive taken it apart 
several times and I can see anything that is wrong with it any clues ?

john sadowski <jsadowski@xxxxxxx> wrote: Mitchell's had a 1960 Imperial 
NOS 4 way flasher kit on eBay a while back. Someone on here bought it & 
paid quite a hefty price as I recall.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Benjamin
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


The first year for mandatory 4 - way flashers was 1966, as far as I can 
recall.  (Backup lights, too.)
 
If Imperial had them in 1960, even as an option, I'm astonished!
 
I learn something new every day, here!
 
Dick Benjamin
 
----- Original Message -----
From: JIM LORENZEN
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


I don't know for sure about the '61s but 4-way flashers were an option 
on the 60 Imperial and all other Chrysler products of that year.  I 
believe a 61 Imperial I had once had them as well, but won't bet the 
ranch on it. 
As far as what was where in the wiring, I have no idea.
 
Jim in OR
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Benjamin
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


THAT is decidedly wierd!  Has someone modified your car? There should 
not be another flasher on the car unless someone has retrofitted it 
with emergency flashers (4-ways).
 
Regarding the various suggestions involving the parking light sockets 
etc. - there is no connection between the brake lights and the parking 
lights - they are on totally different circuits - at least they 
are SUPPOSED to be!
 
Electrical circuits can do strange things sometimes, especially when 
the car is old enough to develop spurious electrical paths that are not 
designed into the car, due to corrosion etc., so I cannot say for 
certain that a bad ground on a parking light socket can cause brake 
lights to fail - but I'd have to see a schematic of THAT circuit to 
convince me.
 
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Battesby
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


ok Ill try that but you dont think it has anything to do with the 
flasher cause my blinkers work whether the flasher unit is plugged in 
or not ?

Dick Benjamin <DickB@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: This situation comes up about 6 
times a year on the IML - you can find many discussions in the 
archive...  Most likely, the failure is in your turn signal switch. 
 
If you study the wiring diagram in the FSM, you can see where to probe 
with your meter or test light to prove this to yourself. 
 
The 12 volts from the brake light switch is routed through the turn 
signal switch to direct it to the rear light sockets, because the turn 
signals share the same filaments in the bulbs - the brake light current 
has to be interrupted by the turn signal switch when you are signalling 
for a turn at the same time you are stepping on the brakes. 
 
When the turn signal switch becomes worn, it usually starts to 
interrupt the brake light signal even when you are NOT signalling for a 
turn. 
 
Sometimes, you can make the problem go away (momentarily) by wiggling 
the turn signal switch.  Have someone stand behind the car (or back up 
to a wall where you can see the red glow) and wiggle the TS switch  
while you press on the brake pedal - you may be able to find a position 
of  the handle where the brake lights work - if this is the case, start 
searching for a replacement turn signal switch.
 
Dick Benjamin
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Battesby
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:33 AM
Subject: IML: 1961 imperial no brake lights


Can someone give me some advise. Got no brake lights. I checked the 
power going to the switch its good . I put in a new switch its the kind 
that is in line with the fluid. No brake lights.  Now could it be the 
bulbs cause the blinkers and tail lights work there all in one ? I 
don't think so There is something weird going on though. When I start 
the car It starts with tail lights on . Even though the light switch is 
off. But there not on solid  they pulsate. To make this all go away all 
I have to do is turn the blinkers on  and off and the tail light go 
 off . Isn't that strange. Anyone have any advise ?






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