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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185    Location: Lower Mainland BC | I have previously posted about my 56 Dodge's cowl tag. I recently received scanned copies of the 56 Dodge Accessories brochure (see below). Now I'd like to interpret the cowl tag and the IBM card in light of the brochure info. My car has Tinted windows, power steering, power brakes, Powerflite, and the Basic, Convenience and Appearance accessories (vanity mirror is missing but it probably was there at the beginning). I don't know how those translate to the Cowl Tag or IBM card. Cowl Tag IBM Card: The Accessories Brochures pages, courtesy of Dave H.: Edited by 56D500boy 2017-12-29 11:27 AM (56DodgeAccessoriesPricingBrochure_1.jpg) (56DodgeAccessoriesPricingBrochure_2.jpg) Attachments ----------------  56DodgeAccessoriesPricingBrochure_1.jpg (224KB - 602 downloads) 56DodgeAccessoriesPricingBrochure_2.jpg (243KB - 626 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Gbreslin - 2018-03-27 5:54 PM Dave—I have the same problem—-I purchased a 1956 Custom Royal Sedan last Saturday and can find no information that will help me learn the original paint (263) and trim (3422) and body (835). There has to be a resource available for us! Anything that you can share with me will be greatly appreciated. GEORGE Breslin Jacksonville, Florida George: Welcome to the forum. There aren't many 56 Dodge folks here that are active. I will try to help you as much as possible. First thing is to post up some photos of your car. Here are some hints about how to do that: Start at the top of this thread: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=64340&... I have previously posted a number of 56 Dodge articles to this thread (note it goes over two pages): http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67189&... As for paint, I think 263 is Sapphire white, jewel black and aquamarine, based on this thread: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=63553&... which includes this: Body 835 = same as mine = 4 dr sedan Trim: 3422 = too many numbers. Should only be three numbers as far as I know and I would have thought that it would be 541, 542 or 543 (?) For the Custom Royal Sedans, so far I know: 541 = two tone blues 542 = black and white 543 = might be the two green tones Have a look at this thread: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=65230&... I am emailing you this directly as well. Dave F. | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . frwl (Igor): Not sure if your knowledge/data base goes back as far as 1956 or not but I am hoping that you can decode the codes on the top row of this tag:  Edited by 56D500boy 2019-10-06 1:35 PM | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2019-10-07 1:11 PM Can you read the phrase (three letters) below 5 to the right of AXLE 35… on the top of this picture? HTR – Heater? While I digest the info on my cowl data tag, I am responding to the "PS": The 1955 Dodge Detroit IBM card you question is this one: I have annotated a similar 1956 Dodge Detroit IBM card and that category is "ROUTE" . Maybe in 1955 they just used "RTE" (??) This: | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Igor: Thanks very much. I will now add my comments to your thoughts (I will put mine in bold). For clarification, my car came with the basic group , convenience group and appearance group options from this list: The following is from you with my comments in bold: *********************** Hello Dave! LA codes are very hard to identify. I'm not sure they're correct and may be wrong. Here is what I have. SG = 1 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows (Code 361) My car has Solex (lightly) tinted windows all around so SG =1 makes sense SG = 2 = Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield only (Code 362) SG = 4 = Solex Tinted Glass SG = 5 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows and Sun Cap Visor (outer) EW = 2 = Power Windows EW = 3 = Power Windows (Code 363) No power windows, so no code makes sense M1 = 6 = Code 356 = Radio 6 Tube VELVETONE and Rear Seat Speaker M1 = 8 = Code 358 = Radio 8 Tube MUSIC MASTER and Rear Seat Speaker (which you have…) Not really. When I bought my car, it came as a radio delete and there was no rear speaker - I added the radio and speakers M1 = 9 = Code 359 = Radio 9 Tube ELECTRO TOUCH TUNER and Rear Seat Speaker SAME RADIOS – LESS REAR SEAT SPEAKER: M1 = 5 = Code 356 = Radio 6 Tube VELVETONE M1 = 7 = Code 358 = Radio 8 Tube MUSIC MASTER (although HI-FI RECORD PLAYER has code 357) M1 = 1 = Code 359 = Radio 9 Tube ELECTRO TOUCH TUNER M2 = 4 = ??? – no info M3 = 1, 4, 5 or 7 = ??? some sources says that 1 is a Code 451 = Electric Clock I have the OE ElectroMechanical Clock M5 = 2 = Jiffy Jet Windshield Washer (Code 392). Probably Variable Speed Windshield Wipers has Code 391… But another source info says that Codes 391 and 392 are dealer installation Plymouth accessory codes (mirrors) My car has both Jiffy Jet washer and variable windshield wipers M6 = 2 = Exterior Molding Trim Packages for Plymouth (Codes 421, 422, 423, 424, 425) and DeSoto (Codes 421 and 422) I got the standard Custom Royal "chrome" trim M7 = ??? – no info M8 = 3 = Dodge Basic Accessory Group (possibly Code 413), includes a Heater with Defroster (Code 355), besides mirrors M8 = 3 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc. As stated above, I have the basic, convenience and appearance group options M8 = 4 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc. + Radio 8 Tube M8 = 5 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc. + Radio 9 Tube and Rear Seat Speaker So, if a digit on the position M8 has «3», position M1 should have 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9 logically – Radio codes factory installed. If M1 has nothing – radio installed by dealer M9 = 3 = Inside Prismatic Mirror M9 = 4 = Inside Prismatic Mirror + Left Outside Mirror I have the inside prismatic mirror and both the left and right outside mirrors M9 = 8 = Inside Prismatic Mirror + Left Outside Mirror + Right Outside Mirror < Correct me, if I’m wrong ******************** Thanks very much. You did pretty good. I now know more than I did when I woke up this AM. Edited by 56D500boy 2019-10-07 6:35 PM (DaveFs56CustomRoyalRadioDelete.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DaveFs56CustomRoyalRadioDelete.jpg (146KB - 517 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | Hello Dave. Can you add something to this list? (???? means no info). 1956 Dodge Trim Codes Coronet Sedans 526 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Green 527 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Blue 528 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Black ???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Blue (Optional) ???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Black (Optional) ???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Green (Optional) Coronet Lancer Hardtops 529 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Green 530 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Blue 531 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Black ???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Blue (Optional) ???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Black (Optional) ???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Green (Optional) Coronet Lancer Convertible, Suburban and Sierra Station Wagons 826 = Figured Cordagrain – Green 827 = Figured Cordagrain – Blue 828 = Figured Cordagrain –Black and White Royal Sedan 534 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Green 535 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Blue 536 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Silvery Black ???? = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Red (maybe Code No. 532 or No. 533) Royal Lancer Hardtops 537 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Green 538 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Blue 539 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Silvery Black ???? = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Red (maybe Code No. 532 or No. 533) Royal Custom Suburban and Custom Sierra Station Wagons 826 = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain – Green 827 = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain – Blue 828 = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain –Black and White Custom Royal Sedan 540 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Green 541 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Blue 542 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Silvery Black Custom Royal Lancer Hardtops 543 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Green 544 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Blue 545 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Silvery Black Custom Royal Lancer LaFemme Hardtop 546 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Rose and Gold Custom Royal Lancer Convertible (Has Code No. 835, but no color info) ???? = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain – Green ???? = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain – Blue ???? = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain –Black and White Thanks. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Hello Robert (RDP). Describe your car or just attach the pictures of cowl tag and built card better… For 1956 Chrysler I recommend next items (Y / N): Full Flow Oil Filter Single Exhaust System Lights – Automatic Entrance Lights – Back up Lights – Dual Directional Signals Lights – Glove Box Lights – Hand Brake Warning Flasher Lights – Luggage Compartment Lights – Map Lights – Rear Door Dome Lights – Rear License Plate Cigar Lighters Assist Handles – Rear Air Foam Seat Cushions Windshield Wipers Windshield Washer Sun Visors – Inside Sun Cap Visor – Outside Rear Folding Center Arm Rest Safety Cushion Dash Panel Custom Steering Wheel Transmission – Manual Transmission – Automatic PowerFlite Transmission – Automatic TorqueFlite Power Steering Power Brakes Power Seat Four Way Power Windows Radio – Music Master Radio – Electro Touch Tuner Radio – Rear Seat Speaker Highway HiFi Phonograph Antenna – Manual Antenna – Manual Dual Antenna – Manual Extra Long Antenna – Power Heater Heater – Instant Gasoline Air Conditioning Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield only Mirror – Inside Prismatic Mirror – Inside Vanity Mirror – Outside Rear View Left Clock – Electric Clock – Self Winding, Steering Wheel Floor Mat – Rubber Floor Mat – Carpet Carpets Removable Rear Kiddie Seat Outer Bumper Guards – Front Chrome Rear License Plate Frame Exhaust Pipe Extension Undercoating Chrome Stainless Steel Wheel Covers White Side Wall Tires Wire Wheels Special Two Tone Paint Pictures of inside and outside views, engine bay are will helps also… I have never seen M8 = 8 combination, M8 = 3 or M8 = 4 only (maybe it is just your typo…) P.S.: Is this your car? (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (206KB - 528 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | Igor, not this one, I have Nassau. My card is a bit blurred, I can't read some of the numbers. Does anyone have a readable LA card? My car options: custom steering whell, power steering, power brakes, powerflite, Music Master radio + rear spaker+manual antenna, solex glass all, heater, carpet, two tone paint, windshield washer, backup lights, glovebox light, luggage light,handbrake warning light, dash pad, vanity mirror, undercoating 344 Hardy Governor 353 PowerFlite 361 Solex All Window 381 Airfoam Seat 385 428 451 469 473 Tires I don't know what means that single 8 marked „?”. SG=1 EW M1=1 M2 M3 M4 M5=1 M6 M7 M8=8 M9=8 M1 = 381 ???, M5 = 451 ??? Edited by RDP 2019-12-04 4:21 PM (Chrysler (1).jpg) (Chrysler (2).jpg) (Chrysler (3).jpg) (Chrysler (4).jpg) Attachments ---------------- Chrysler (1).jpg (222KB - 498 downloads) Chrysler (2).jpg (204KB - 492 downloads) Chrysler (3).jpg (97KB - 527 downloads) Chrysler (4).jpg (30KB - 516 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2019-12-04 1:16 PM. My card is a bit blurred, I can't read some of the numbers. Does anyone have a readable LA card? Where did you find that sheet of paper with all the codes? Here is my LA 56 Dodge card. Not the best but it might help. (DForgies56D500BuildCard_trimmed_small.jpg) (DForgies56D500BuildCard_AlignedAndNotated_small.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DForgies56D500BuildCard_trimmed_small.jpg (222KB - 509 downloads) DForgies56D500BuildCard_AlignedAndNotated_small.jpg (155KB - 518 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Hello Robert. According to 1956 Plymouth Order Codes (see the first attached picture): 344 = Handy Governor (but it is for Plymouth 6 cylinder only) 353 = Powerflite Transmission 361 = Solex Tinted Glass in all window areas 381 = Air Foam Seat Cushions (front only) 385 = Rear Auxiliary Seat with Air Foam Seat Cushions (but this option for Wagons only) 428 = Exterior Body Trim Package (no idea what came on Windsors at extra, except Sun Cap Visor, Front Bumper Outer Guards or a Side Sweep Mouldings; Plymouth range from 421 to 425) 451 = Electric Clock 469 = Battery (no idea about Amperes capacity) 473 = 6.70 x 15 White Side Wall Tubeless Tires 4-Ply (set of 5) Single 8 marked „?” 1) Probably 458 = Undercoating (although this is not in order in your optional codes row) 2) Route 8 (or Tracer) = Delivery Route by Rail… (see «8» in the top right corner on the built card) I have attached a ’56 New Yorker Newport built card, but top right corner is still hard to see… SG1 = 1 is a Solex Glass M5 = 1 maybe means manual antenna (2 = dual rear fender antennas) For others – no 100% info, speculations only (Order Codes.jpg) (with sweep molding.JPG) (without sweep moulding.JPG) (New Yorker Newport.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Order Codes.jpg (136KB - 518 downloads) with sweep molding.JPG (95KB - 521 downloads) without sweep moulding.JPG (98KB - 497 downloads) New Yorker Newport.JPG (156KB - 532 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2019-12-05 8:50 AM Dave, the sheet was in the rear seat springs. This a few pieces self-copying pages. Dave, Igor I know a few 56 LA cards, all blurred. These small code numbers are impossible to read. The right side is always worse. I think we could figure out the numbers. It's the text that I can't read. See below. An attempt to clarify the text (with failures) (SectionOf56LAIBMCard_Annotated.jpg) Attachments ---------------- SectionOf56LAIBMCard_Annotated.jpg (223KB - 504 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | I found on the forum Dieter (di_ch_NY56) New Yorker tag: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=30829&... di_ch_NY56 - 2010-05-21 10:56 PM SG 5 M3 5 M8 4 M9 8 SCHED 0214 NO 0115 MODEL C721 BT 042 PT 407 TR 20 Factory power brakes, power steering, warm water heating system, dealer option: manual windshield washer, one side mirror IBM card shown by Igor comes from Dierer's car (DSC949.JPG) Attachments ---------------- DSC949.JPG (176KB - 520 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Yes. This is Dieter’s Chrysler. Another puzzling cowl tag from WCD-LA. For example: What SG5 is mean? I can see a solex glass all around, it should be SG1!!! Maybe SG5 means solex glass + windshield washer? This is not. Windshield Washer is a standard on ’56 New Yorkers. Maybe solex glass + sun cap visor? No, that standard ’56 NY too… What’s this? I have no idea. Detroit code says that 1 = Solex Glass – all, 2 = Solex Glass – windshield only, while separate column says 5 = sun cap visor, 7 = outer front bumper guard, 9 = sun cap visor and outer front bumper guard together… If I point out the parallels with his Detroit’s cousins, where number 4 decodes heater, and 8 decodes radio Music Master (6 push buttons) + rear seat speaker, we can see these on M8 = 4 and M9 = 8 positions. But this is wrong too… (1.JPG) (2.JPG) (3.jpg) (4.JPG) (5.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 1.JPG (180KB - 498 downloads) 2.JPG (188KB - 505 downloads) 3.jpg (74KB - 503 downloads) 4.JPG (111KB - 496 downloads) 5.JPG (93KB - 514 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | I'm sorry, Dave, but I think we stole your thread. It was not intended. Only M9 = 8 is the same in the Dieter tag and my tag. 5 = sun cap visor, 7 = outer front bumper guard, 9 = sun cap visor and outer front bumper guard ------- it's options for Windsor both cars have MM radio+r speaker+ m antenna I wonder if this is correct, I only guess: (guesswork.jpg) Attachments ---------------- guesswork.jpg (191KB - 521 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Maybe you are right about M9 = 8 that means Radio Music Master. But Dave’s Dodge has M9 = 4, but his car is NOT equipped with any radio. What do you say? (get-attachment.jpg) Attachments ---------------- get-attachment.jpg (146KB - 500 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2019-12-06 8:22 AM I'm sorry, Dave, but I think we stole your thread. It was not intended. You did but having three minds on these 56 LA IBM cards (and cowl tags) is not a bad thing. Not a bad thing at all. RDP - 2019-12-06 1:45 PM This is not easy. What says item 42 IBM card? molding package Not easy is an understatement.  Yes 42 = Molding package. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | Dave, you probably need to change the thread name to 1956 LA decoding Ok, I looked in old threads and found this: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=45536&... and this: the top right corner IBMcard (route) it's empty and M9 place it's empty but there is a shipping stamp "truck" (Dodge Build Card 4.jpg) (1956 Dodge CRL45.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Dodge Build Card 4.jpg (227KB - 507 downloads) 1956 Dodge CRL45.jpg (180KB - 531 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2019-12-07 12:44 PM Dave, you probably need to change the thread name to 1956 LA decoding Or you and Igor could have started your own 1956 Chrysler LA IBM card decoding thread  Never mind, I can't change the title of the thread so we are stuck with what we have. And what we have, as a result, of your sleuthing (investigation) is the best LA IBM card that I have ever seen. I've tried to enhance what D500Neil posted but it is still not perfect. But it is better: (1956_DodgeIBMcard_LAPlant_Blank.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956_DodgeIBMcard_LAPlant_Blank.jpg (241KB - 491 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . I printed off that enhanced blank LA Card and was able read more than could be seen on the computer screen. I have revised my previous attempt at understanding the right end of the IBM card. Still one or two ??? sections. (SectionOf56LAIBMCard_Annotated_Rev1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- SectionOf56LAIBMCard_Annotated_Rev1.jpg (230KB - 491 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9893  Location: So. Cal | This is the body tag on my LA built '56 Plymouth Savoy. The build sheet was under the floor mat and had become one with the tar on the floor, long long ago so not much of it was readable. This was before the age of digital cameras so I didn't get a picture of it to try and get any info from it. I have never asked for an IBM card for the car either, but the car has manual brakes, manual steering, and no options except for a V8, powerflite, radio, heater. (56PlymBodyTag.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 56PlymBodyTag.jpg (124KB - 545 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | Thanks Nathan! 56D500boy - 2019-12-07 10:50 PM Never mind, I can't change the title of the thread so we are stuck with what we have. probably Wizard could do it, but it's your thread 56D500boy - 2019-12-07 10:50 PM Or you and Igor could have started your own 1956 Chrysler LA IBM card decoding thread I think we don't have enough info to understand each brand separately. Maybe in the future but not yet. Unless it bothers you. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Hello Nathan (Powerflite). Thank for posting the picture of your cowl tag. Paint 607 = Wedgewood Blue, Trim 505 = Blue Cloth and Vinyl, Body Type 854 – is this 2door Sedan? M8 = 3 and M9 = 8… Too many cars have M8 = 3 combos… If simply drop in mind optional codes, built cards, etc. Is it maybe a conventional heater? «3» for Plymouths and Dodges, «4» for DeSotos and Chryslers and differences between numbers means Models of heater: DeSoto – Mopar 702, Chrysler – Mopar 700 etc. As Nathan told us, this car has Powerflite, Heater and Radio as optional equipment only. Built tag shows M8 = 3 and M9 = 8. Therefore these options must be contains it. Most Dodges cowl tags, that I have seen, were equipped with Powerflite and Heater and have stamped M8 = 3 on it. If anybody seen LA cowl tag of car with manual transmission and posted the picture in the thread, we would be compare it and say – what combo «M8 = 3» does it mean: Powerflite or Heater. So, next M9 = 8 combination of this car – is the Radio code. Dave, are you sure 100% that your car has NO radio from the factory? What about «M9 = 4» on your cowl tag? Are you first owner? Maybe somebody deleted or changed Radio before you bought the Dodge? For example Robert (Windsor Nassau) and Dieter (New Yorker Newport shown above) cars have «M8 = 3» Radio Music Master both. P.S. Robert – to continue the theme about SG1 = Solex Glass. In next, 1957 season, option «Shaded Rear Window» (or Back Lite) was offered. Maybe «SG5» is it, or «Shaded Windshield» - see attached pictures. P.S. Dave, I think «??? FRONT COMPARTMENT» in the build sheet means «LIGHTS – FRONT COMPARTMENT», which includes: Parking Brake Warning Light, Map Light, Glove Box Light and Courtesy Light, i.e. Light Package if shorter… you may add to your list… (1.JPG) (2.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 1.JPG (152KB - 510 downloads) 2.JPG (133KB - 540 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Because it is potentially clear that the Blank IBM card that was previously posted was a) and LA Plant IBM card and b) it wasn't just a 56 Dodge card but also a 56 Plymouth card (because all the paints names listed are Plymouth names not Dodge paint names), I've used the 56 Plymouth order form to help interpret some of the hard to read parts of the card. I wasn't completely successful but it is better. I am now going to use the 56 Plymouth order form codes to help figure out the item numbers on the IBM card, right or wrong. First the improved card: (1956_DodgeIBMcard_LAPlant_Blank_Improved_1_small.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956_DodgeIBMcard_LAPlant_Blank_Improved_1_small.jpg (240KB - 551 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Okay. I printed off the 56 Plymouth order form and went through it with the 56 LA Plant IBM card and got most but not all of the codes. There are still some missing (maybe there is another sheet to the 56 Plymouth order form hiding out there in the universe (??)). So starting with this: And using the improved LA IBM card, I did the following (in doing so, I think I found the answer to the yellow high lit "Compartment" issue = LIGHT - Front Compartment, code 452 on the Plymouth sheet): (1956_DodgeIBMcard_LAPlant_Blank_Improved_2_Annotated_small.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956_DodgeIBMcard_LAPlant_Blank_Improved_2_Annotated_small.jpg (249KB - 504 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | original codes that I can read (1956_IBMcard_LAplant_I can read.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956_IBMcard_LAplant_I can read.jpg (228KB - 492 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . I filled in some numbers based on guessing from the 56 Plymouth order form. I can see now that the IBM card was not as precise as it could be but then again, it was flexible. Example: Heavy Duty Package: The IBM card just says "34". I presume because there was two Heavy duty options, i.e. 341 for manual transmission cars and 342 for Powerflite cars. On that basis, I would expect a 1 or 2 in column 34 if the car got the Heavy duty package. There were also other "34" series codes. For example, I think if the car was ordered as a six cylinder manual transmission taxi, the codes that might be punched in column 34 would have been: 1 (for heavy duty), 4 (for Governor, handy, 6 cyl only), 5 (for dome light switch on all four doors), 6 (for the 20 gal gas tank), 7 (for the city traffic carb ), 8 (for the universal (taxi cab only) lock cylinder/keys) and maybe 9 (for the Pull to open right rear door handle). So 341, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348 and 349. All interpreted via punches in column 34. Moving closed to home, e.g. my 56 Dodge, I have three option punches in column 35. I've always thought of them as option packages 1, 4 and 7 but now, taking a closer look, I think that might be wrong. I have been helping someone with a manual/overdrive 56 Dodge so I know that he has a "2" for transmission, i.e. 352 from the 56 Plymouth order form. In contrast, my car has a "3" for transmission (353 = Powerflite). My car also has Power Steering (351), and Power Brakes (365 - hmmm not column 35 but 36?) and a heater (with defroster) so it should be 355 (but I think I have a 4 in column 35 so this theory is breaking down  ) My head hurts. Edited by 56D500boy 2019-12-09 3:14 PM | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Just re-checked my column 35 codes = 1, 4, 6 and 8 So testing the theory: 351 = Power steering (yes) 354 = Heater, without defroster motor (wrong - I also have a defroster motor) (which would be a 355 code) 356 = ?? Sheet says Power Brakes = 365. I have power brakes so there might be a typo on the order form (??) 358 = Push button 8 tube (6 button) radio (no - at least no when I got the car. It had a full length radio delete panel (not just a little radio hole cover insert) - but there was a hole on the right cowl (not fender) where some aerial - I had assumed CB had been mounted so ??) So one yes, two no's and a maybe Is this progress?? Edited by 56D500boy 2019-12-09 4:14 PM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | it's too complicated EDIT I checked IBM cards of both Dodges. It looks quite different. I'm surprised... 48x, 49x codes? Edited by RDP 2019-12-10 5:23 PM (dodge 1.JPG) (dodge 2.JPG) Attachments ---------------- dodge 1.JPG (124KB - 482 downloads) dodge 2.JPG (126KB - 495 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2019-12-10 12:42 PM it's too complicated I checked IBM cards of both Dodges. It looks quite different. I'm surprised... 48x, 49x codes? Robert you are trying to make punches in all the columns correspond to an order code. It doesn't work like that. For some columns, it does but not for every column. The one card that you are flagging is mine: I have already found homes for all of the punches on that card and, for example, the 46, 47, 48 and 49 do NOT translate to option codes: | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . Looks like repainted in monotone Raven Black instead Raven Black below contour molding and Turquoise above contour molding (code 418) It shows Solex Glass all around, but SG column is empty… (1.jpg) (2.jpg) (3.jpg) (4.jpg) (5.jpg) (6.jpg) (7.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (141KB - 499 downloads) 2.jpg (178KB - 515 downloads) 3.jpg (207KB - 519 downloads) 4.jpg (139KB - 491 downloads) 5.jpg (120KB - 502 downloads) 6.jpg (179KB - 520 downloads) 7.jpg (92KB - 491 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10185 Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2019-12-11 7:57 AM Dave, how do you read they numbers to the right? Sorry Robert, I am not sure what you are referring to, an IBM card or a cowl tag? And which one? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | IBM 56D500boy - 2019-12-11 12:15 AM Robert you are trying to make punches in all the columns correspond to an order code. It doesn't work like that. For some columns, it does but not for every column. your card has two holes outside the area, the second dodge card has one hole outside the area but the numbers outside the area match those in the options bar Edited by RDP 2019-12-11 12:25 PM (a1.JPG) Attachments ---------------- a1.JPG (147KB - 479 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2029 | . The 56 DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman 2door Hardtop (body type 36) built card With numbers 3, 5, 4, 4 inside area No information about optional equipment Might be it useless, but just for comparing… (1.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 1.JPG (141KB - 494 downloads) | ||
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