56 Dodge Custom Royal 4dr Sedan
56D500boy
Posted 2017-12-29 11:21 AM (#555178)
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I have previously posted about my 56 Dodge's cowl tag. I recently received scanned copies of the 56 Dodge Accessories brochure (see below). Now I'd like to interpret the cowl tag and the IBM card in light of the brochure info.

My car has Tinted windows, power steering, power brakes, Powerflite, and the Basic, Convenience and Appearance accessories (vanity mirror is missing but it probably was there at the beginning). I don't know how those translate to the Cowl Tag or IBM card.

Cowl Tag



IBM Card:



The Accessories Brochures pages, courtesy of Dave H.:

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56D500boy
Posted 2018-02-04 5:19 PM (#557517 - in reply to #555178)
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56D500boy - 2017-12-29 11:21 AM

I have previously posted about my 56 Dodge's cowl tag. I recently received scanned copies of the 56 Dodge Accessories brochure (see below). Now I'd like to interpret the cowl tag and the IBM card in light of the brochure info. My car has Tinted windows, power steering, power brakes, Powerflite, and the Basic, Convenience and Appearance accessories (vanity mirror is missing but it probably was there at the beginning). I don't know how those translate to the Cowl Tag or IBM card.


Anybody??

Dave F.
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Gbreslin
Posted 2018-03-27 5:54 PM (#560586 - in reply to #555178)
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Dave—I have the same problem—-I purchased a 1956 Custom Royal Sedan last Saturday and can find no information that will help me learn the original paint (263) and trim (3422) and body (835). There has to be a resource available for us! Anything that you can share with me will be greatly appreciated.
GEORGE Breslin
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-03-27 6:23 PM (#560587 - in reply to #560586)
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Gbreslin - 2018-03-27 5:54 PM
Dave—I have the same problem—-I purchased a 1956 Custom Royal Sedan last Saturday and can find no information that will help me learn the original paint (263) and trim (3422) and body (835). There has to be a resource available for us! Anything that you can share with me will be greatly appreciated. GEORGE Breslin Jacksonville, Florida


George: Welcome to the forum. There aren't many 56 Dodge folks here that are active. I will try to help you as much as possible.

First thing is to post up some photos of your car. Here are some hints about how to do that:

Start at the top of this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=64340&...

I have previously posted a number of 56 Dodge articles to this thread (note it goes over two pages):

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67189&...

As for paint, I think 263 is Sapphire white, jewel black and aquamarine, based on this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=63553&...

which includes this:



Body 835 = same as mine = 4 dr sedan

Trim: 3422 = too many numbers. Should only be three numbers as far as I know and I would have thought that it would be 541, 542 or 543 (?)

For the Custom Royal Sedans, so far I know:

541 = two tone blues
542 = black and white
543 = might be the two green tones

Have a look at this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=65230&...

I am emailing you this directly as well.

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-10-06 1:32 PM (#588478 - in reply to #555178)
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frwl (Igor): Not sure if your knowledge/data base goes back as far as 1956 or not but I am hoping that you can decode the codes on the top row of this tag:





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frwl
Posted 2019-10-07 4:09 PM (#588517 - in reply to #588478)
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Hello Dave!

LA codes are very hard to identify. I'm not sure they're correct and may be wrong. Here is what I have.

SG = 1 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows (Code 361)
SG = 2 = Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield only (Code 362)
SG = 4 = Solex Tinted Glass
SG = 5 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows and Sun Cap Visor (outer)

EW = 2 = Power Windows
EW = 3 = Power Windows (Code 363)

M1 = 6 = Code 356 = Radio 6 Tube VELVETONE and Rear Seat Speaker
M1 = 8 = Code 358 = Radio 8 Tube MUSIC MASTER and Rear Seat Speaker (which you have…)
M1 = 9 = Code 359 = Radio 9 Tube ELECTRO TOUCH TUNER and Rear Seat Speaker

SAME RADIOS – LESS REAR SEAT SPEAKER:
M1 = 5 = Code 356 = Radio 6 Tube VELVETONE
M1 = 7 = Code 358 = Radio 8 Tube MUSIC MASTER (although HI-FI RECORD PLAYER has code 357)
M1 = 1 = Code 359 = Radio 9 Tube ELECTRO TOUCH TUNER

M2 = 4 = ??? – no info

M3 = 1, 4, 5 or 7 = ??? some sources says that 1 is a Code 451 = Electric Clock

M5 = 2 = Jiffy Jet Windshield Washer (Code 392). Probably Variable Speed Windshield Wipers has Code 391…
But another source info says that Codes 391 and 392 are dealer installation Plymouth accessory codes (mirrors)

M6 = 2 = Exterior Molding Trim Packages for Plymouth (Codes 421, 422, 423, 424, 425) and DeSoto (Codes 421 and 422)

M7 = ??? – no info

M8 = 3 = Dodge Basic Accessory Group (possibly Code 413), includes a Heater with Defroster (Code 355), besides mirrors
M8 = 3 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc.
M8 = 4 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc. + Radio 8 Tube
M8 = 5 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc. + Radio 9 Tube and Rear Seat Speaker

So, if a digit on the position M8 has «3», position M1 should have 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9 logically – Radio codes factory installed.
If M1 has nothing – radio installed by dealer

M9 = 3 = Inside Prismatic Mirror
M9 = 4 = Inside Prismatic Mirror + Left Outside Mirror
M9 = 8 = Inside Prismatic Mirror + Left Outside Mirror + Right Outside Mirror

Correct me, if I’m wrong…
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frwl
Posted 2019-10-07 4:11 PM (#588518 - in reply to #588517)
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Can you read the phrase (three letters) below 5 to the right of AXLE 35… on the top of this picture?
HTR – Heater?

Here the link…
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-10-07 4:26 PM (#588521 - in reply to #588518)
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frwl - 2019-10-07 1:11 PM
Can you read the phrase (three letters) below 5 to the right of AXLE 35… on the top of this picture?
HTR – Heater?


While I digest the info on my cowl data tag, I am responding to the "PS":

The 1955 Dodge Detroit IBM card you question is this one:



I have annotated a similar 1956 Dodge Detroit IBM card and that category is "ROUTE" . Maybe in 1955 they just used "RTE" (??)

This:



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hondaman1974
Posted 2019-10-07 5:54 PM (#588528 - in reply to #555178)
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sorry to jump on this thread, dave or igor would you know what the accessory group 7 "357" on a Detroit 55 dodge CR IBM card is? my card is shown on an earlier thread

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-10-07 6:31 PM (#588531 - in reply to #588517)
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Igor: Thanks very much. I will now add my comments to your thoughts (I will put mine in bold).

For clarification, my car came with the basic group , convenience group and appearance group options from this list:



The following is from you with my comments in bold:

***********************
Hello Dave!

LA codes are very hard to identify. I'm not sure they're correct and may be wrong. Here is what I have.

SG = 1 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows (Code 361) My car has Solex (lightly) tinted windows all around so SG =1 makes sense
SG = 2 = Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield only (Code 362)
SG = 4 = Solex Tinted Glass
SG = 5 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows and Sun Cap Visor (outer)

EW = 2 = Power Windows
EW = 3 = Power Windows (Code 363) No power windows, so no code makes sense

M1 = 6 = Code 356 = Radio 6 Tube VELVETONE and Rear Seat Speaker
M1 = 8 = Code 358 = Radio 8 Tube MUSIC MASTER and Rear Seat Speaker (which you have…) Not really. When I bought my car, it came as a radio delete and there was no rear speaker - I added the radio and speakers
M1 = 9 = Code 359 = Radio 9 Tube ELECTRO TOUCH TUNER and Rear Seat Speaker

SAME RADIOS – LESS REAR SEAT SPEAKER:
M1 = 5 = Code 356 = Radio 6 Tube VELVETONE
M1 = 7 = Code 358 = Radio 8 Tube MUSIC MASTER (although HI-FI RECORD PLAYER has code 357)
M1 = 1 = Code 359 = Radio 9 Tube ELECTRO TOUCH TUNER
M2 = 4 = ??? – no info

M3 = 1, 4, 5 or 7 = ??? some sources says that 1 is a Code 451 = Electric Clock I have the OE ElectroMechanical Clock

M5 = 2 = Jiffy Jet Windshield Washer (Code 392). Probably Variable Speed Windshield Wipers has Code 391…
But another source info says that Codes 391 and 392 are dealer installation Plymouth accessory codes (mirrors) My car has both Jiffy Jet washer and variable windshield wipers

M6 = 2 = Exterior Molding Trim Packages for Plymouth (Codes 421, 422, 423, 424, 425) and DeSoto (Codes 421 and 422) I got the standard Custom Royal "chrome" trim

M7 = ??? – no info

M8 = 3 = Dodge Basic Accessory Group (possibly Code 413), includes a Heater with Defroster (Code 355), besides mirrors
M8 = 3 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc. As stated above, I have the basic, convenience and appearance group options
M8 = 4 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc. + Radio 8 Tube
M8 = 5 = DeSoto Accessory Group: Tinted Glass, Heater, Mirrors, WSW Tires, etc. + Radio 9 Tube and Rear Seat Speaker

So, if a digit on the position M8 has «3», position M1 should have 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9 logically – Radio codes factory installed.
If M1 has nothing – radio installed by dealer

M9 = 3 = Inside Prismatic Mirror
M9 = 4 = Inside Prismatic Mirror + Left Outside Mirror I have the inside prismatic mirror and both the left and right outside mirrors
M9 = 8 = Inside Prismatic Mirror + Left Outside Mirror + Right Outside Mirror <

Correct me, if I’m wrong

********************

Thanks very much. You did pretty good. I now know more than I did when I woke up this AM.

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frwl
Posted 2019-10-14 4:35 PM (#588830 - in reply to #555178)
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Hello Dave. Can you add something to this list? (???? means no info).

1956 Dodge Trim Codes

Coronet Sedans

526 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Green
527 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Blue
528 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Black
???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Blue (Optional)
???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Black (Optional)
???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Green (Optional)

Coronet Lancer Hardtops

529 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Green
530 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Blue
531 = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric – Black
???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Blue (Optional)
???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Black (Optional)
???? = Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain Seat Back – Green (Optional)

Coronet Lancer Convertible, Suburban and Sierra Station Wagons

826 = Figured Cordagrain – Green
827 = Figured Cordagrain – Blue
828 = Figured Cordagrain –Black and White

Royal Sedan

534 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Green
535 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Blue
536 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Silvery Black
???? = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Red (maybe Code No. 532 or No. 533)

Royal Lancer Hardtops

537 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Green
538 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Blue
539 = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Silvery Black
???? = Figured Jacquard Weave Fabric and Cordagrain – Red (maybe Code No. 532 or No. 533)

Royal Custom Suburban and Custom Sierra Station Wagons

826 = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain – Green
827 = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain – Blue
828 = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain –Black and White

Custom Royal Sedan

540 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Green
541 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Blue
542 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Silvery Black

Custom Royal Lancer Hardtops

543 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Green
544 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Blue
545 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Silvery Black

Custom Royal Lancer LaFemme Hardtop

546 = Two Tone Patterned Jacquard Weave Fabric and Pleated Cordagrain – Rose and Gold

Custom Royal Lancer Convertible (Has Code No. 835, but no color info)

???? = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain – Green
???? = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain – Blue
???? = Two Tone Patterned Cordagrain –Black and White

Thanks.
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RDP
Posted 2019-12-03 4:18 PM (#591044 - in reply to #555178)
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Guys, I just wonder if LA codes are the same for all cars.
I have LA made 56 Windsor. This is the top row of my tag: SG =1, M1 =1, M5 =1, M8 =8, M9 =8.

Here are my comments to Igor explain;

SG = 1 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows (Code 361) ------ my car have solex and 361 code in papers
M1 = 8 = Code 358 = Radio 8 Tube MUSIC MASTER and Rear Seat Speaker --------- my car have music master and rear speaker, but no 358 code
M5 = 2 = Jiffy Jet Windshield Washer (Code 392). Probably Variable Speed Windshield Wipers has Code 391 --------- my car have Jiffy Jet, but no 392 or 391
M8 ------ 8 in my car, and only one code with 8 - 428
M9 = 8 = Inside Prismatic Mirror + Left Outside Mirror + Right Outside Mirror ----------- my outside mirrors are Joma


in my broadcast sheet there is an additional code 8, single 8 simply, no idea

what do you think
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frwl
Posted 2019-12-04 2:09 PM (#591073 - in reply to #555178)
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Hello Robert (RDP).
Describe your car or just attach the pictures of cowl tag and built card better…
For 1956 Chrysler I recommend next items (Y / N):

Full Flow Oil Filter
Single Exhaust System
Lights – Automatic Entrance
Lights – Back up
Lights – Dual Directional Signals
Lights – Glove Box
Lights – Hand Brake Warning Flasher
Lights – Luggage Compartment
Lights – Map
Lights – Rear Door Dome
Lights – Rear License Plate
Cigar Lighters
Assist Handles – Rear
Air Foam Seat Cushions
Windshield Wipers
Windshield Washer
Sun Visors – Inside
Sun Cap Visor – Outside
Rear Folding Center Arm Rest
Safety Cushion Dash Panel
Custom Steering Wheel
Transmission – Manual
Transmission – Automatic PowerFlite
Transmission – Automatic TorqueFlite
Power Steering
Power Brakes
Power Seat Four Way
Power Windows
Radio – Music Master
Radio – Electro Touch Tuner
Radio – Rear Seat Speaker
Highway HiFi Phonograph
Antenna – Manual
Antenna – Manual Dual
Antenna – Manual Extra Long
Antenna – Power
Heater
Heater – Instant Gasoline
Air Conditioning
Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows
Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield only
Mirror – Inside Prismatic
Mirror – Inside Vanity
Mirror – Outside Rear View Left
Clock – Electric
Clock – Self Winding, Steering Wheel
Floor Mat – Rubber
Floor Mat – Carpet
Carpets
Removable Rear Kiddie Seat
Outer Bumper Guards – Front
Chrome Rear License Plate Frame
Exhaust Pipe Extension
Undercoating
Chrome Stainless Steel Wheel Covers
White Side Wall Tires
Wire Wheels
Special Two Tone Paint

Pictures of inside and outside views, engine bay are will helps also…
I have never seen M8 = 8 combination, M8 = 3 or M8 = 4 only (maybe it is just your typo…)

P.S.: Is this your car?




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RDP
Posted 2019-12-04 4:16 PM (#591077 - in reply to #555178)
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Igor, not this one, I have Nassau. My card is a bit blurred, I can't read some of the numbers. Does anyone have a readable LA card?

My car options:
custom steering whell, power steering, power brakes, powerflite, Music Master radio + rear spaker+manual antenna, solex glass all,
heater, carpet, two tone paint, windshield washer, backup lights, glovebox light, luggage light,handbrake warning light, dash pad,
vanity mirror, undercoating

344 Hardy Governor
353 PowerFlite
361 Solex All Window
381 Airfoam Seat
385
428
451
469
473 Tires

I don't know what means that single 8 marked „?”.

SG=1 EW M1=1 M2 M3 M4 M5=1 M6 M7 M8=8 M9=8

M1 = 381 ???, M5 = 451 ???


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56D500boy
Posted 2019-12-04 5:50 PM (#591082 - in reply to #591077)
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RDP - 2019-12-04 1:16 PM. My card is a bit blurred, I can't read some of the numbers. Does anyone have a readable LA card?


Where did you find that sheet of paper with all the codes?

Here is my LA 56 Dodge card. Not the best but it might help.





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Posted 2019-12-05 7:54 AM (#591105 - in reply to #555178)
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Hello Robert. According to 1956 Plymouth Order Codes (see the first attached picture):

344 = Handy Governor (but it is for Plymouth 6 cylinder only)
353 = Powerflite Transmission
361 = Solex Tinted Glass in all window areas
381 = Air Foam Seat Cushions (front only)
385 = Rear Auxiliary Seat with Air Foam Seat Cushions (but this option for Wagons only)
428 = Exterior Body Trim Package (no idea what came on Windsors at extra, except Sun Cap Visor, Front Bumper Outer Guards or a Side Sweep Mouldings; Plymouth range from 421 to 425)
451 = Electric Clock
469 = Battery (no idea about Amperes capacity)
473 = 6.70 x 15 White Side Wall Tubeless Tires 4-Ply (set of 5)

Single 8 marked „?”
1) Probably 458 = Undercoating (although this is not in order in your optional codes row)
2) Route 8 (or Tracer) = Delivery Route by Rail… (see «8» in the top right corner on the built card)
I have attached a ’56 New Yorker Newport built card, but top right corner is still hard to see…

SG1 = 1 is a Solex Glass
M5 = 1 maybe means manual antenna (2 = dual rear fender antennas)
For others – no 100% info, speculations only





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Posted 2019-12-05 11:50 AM (#591110 - in reply to #555178)
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Dave, the sheet was in the rear seat springs. This a few pieces self-copying pages.

Dave, Igor
I know a few 56 LA cards, all blurred. These small code numbers are impossible to read. The right side is always worse.
Ok, so we know what we knew. Powerflite, Solex, Airfoam, Tires.
Body trim Package - I don't think so. I don't have any extras.
Electric clock - no clock.
Are you sure 8 in the top right corner? So 8 is trail, 4 is truck, right?
Interesting is 6 in the top left corner. Same on all cards.
Which means zero hole to the right IBM card?
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Posted 2019-12-05 12:56 PM (#591115 - in reply to #591110)
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Dave, the sheet was in the rear seat springs. This a few pieces self-copying pages.

Dave, Igor
I know a few 56 LA cards, all blurred. These small code numbers are impossible to read. The right side is always worse.


I think we could figure out the numbers. It's the text that I can't read. See below. An attempt to clarify the text (with failures)





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Posted 2019-12-05 1:04 PM (#591116 - in reply to #591110)
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I am browsing photos now. In the car I found documents from the previous previous owner. I wrote to him and got the pictures.
The steering wheel is all black, it is not custom steering. Now there is custom steering. I also see a prismatic mirror. is gone.

so the correct list of equipment looks like this:

power steering, power brakes, powerflite, Music Master radio + rear spaker+manual antenna, solex glass all,
heater, carpet, two tone paint, windshield washer, backup lights, glovebox light, luggage light,handbrake warning light, dash pad,
vanity mirror, prismatic mirror, undercoating
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Posted 2019-12-05 1:58 PM (#591125 - in reply to #591116)
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I found on the forum Dieter (di_ch_NY56) New Yorker tag:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=30829&...

di_ch_NY56 - 2010-05-21 10:56 PM

SG 5
M3 5
M8 4
M9 8
SCHED 0214
NO 0115
MODEL C721
BT 042
PT 407
TR 20
Factory power brakes, power steering, warm water heating system, dealer option: manual windshield washer, one side mirror



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Posted 2019-12-06 10:38 AM (#591170 - in reply to #555178)
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Yes. This is Dieter’s Chrysler. Another puzzling cowl tag from WCD-LA.

For example: What SG5 is mean? I can see a solex glass all around, it should be SG1!!!
Maybe SG5 means solex glass + windshield washer? This is not. Windshield Washer is a standard on ’56 New Yorkers. Maybe solex glass + sun cap visor? No, that standard ’56 NY too… What’s this? I have no idea.
Detroit code says that 1 = Solex Glass – all, 2 = Solex Glass – windshield only, while separate column says 5 = sun cap visor, 7 = outer front bumper guard, 9 = sun cap visor and outer front bumper guard together…
If I point out the parallels with his Detroit’s cousins, where number 4 decodes heater, and 8 decodes radio Music Master (6 push buttons) + rear seat speaker, we can see these on M8 = 4 and M9 = 8 positions. But this is wrong too…




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Posted 2019-12-06 11:22 AM (#591175 - in reply to #555178)
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I'm sorry, Dave, but I think we stole your thread. It was not intended.

Only M9 = 8 is the same in the Dieter tag and my tag.

5 = sun cap visor, 7 = outer front bumper guard, 9 = sun cap visor and outer front bumper guard ------- it's options for Windsor

both cars have MM radio+r speaker+ m antenna

I wonder if this is correct, I only guess:



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Posted 2019-12-06 4:12 PM (#591192 - in reply to #555178)
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Maybe you are right about M9 = 8 that means Radio Music Master. But Dave’s Dodge has M9 = 4, but his car is NOT equipped with any radio. What do you say?




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Posted 2019-12-06 4:45 PM (#591193 - in reply to #591192)
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This is not easy.

Dodge
SG=1, M1=8, M5=2, M8=3, M9=4

Windsor
SG=1, M1=1, M5=1, M8=8, M9=8

New Yorker
SG=5, ___M3=5,___ M8=4, M9=8

all three have M8 and M9 codes. M9=4 ->track, M9=8 ->rail (single8 in the sheet and the top right corner IBMcard)? M8=8 -> 428 (w), 424 (NY), 423 (D)?
what says item 42 IBM card? molding package

does it make sense?

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Posted 2019-12-06 5:33 PM (#591194 - in reply to #591193)
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I'm sorry, Dave, but I think we stole your thread. It was not intended.


You did but having three minds on these 56 LA IBM cards (and cowl tags) is not a bad thing. Not a bad thing at all.

RDP - 2019-12-06 1:45 PM

This is not easy.

What says item 42 IBM card? molding package


Not easy is an understatement.

Yes 42 = Molding package.

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Posted 2019-12-07 3:44 PM (#591232 - in reply to #555178)
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Dave, you probably need to change the thread name to 1956 LA decoding


Ok, I looked in old threads and found this:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=45536&...

and this:

the top right corner IBMcard (route) it's empty and M9 place it's empty but there is a shipping stamp "truck"




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Posted 2019-12-07 4:50 PM (#591236 - in reply to #591232)
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Dave, you probably need to change the thread name to 1956 LA decoding


Or you and Igor could have started your own 1956 Chrysler LA IBM card decoding thread

Never mind, I can't change the title of the thread so we are stuck with what we have.

And what we have, as a result, of your sleuthing (investigation) is the best LA IBM card that I have ever seen. I've tried to enhance what D500Neil posted but it is still not perfect. But it is better:





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Posted 2019-12-07 5:14 PM (#591237 - in reply to #591236)
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I printed off that enhanced blank LA Card and was able read more than could be seen on the computer screen.

I have revised my previous attempt at understanding the right end of the IBM card. Still one or two ??? sections.





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Posted 2019-12-08 12:03 AM (#591262 - in reply to #555178)
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This is the body tag on my LA built '56 Plymouth Savoy. The build sheet was under the floor mat and had become one with the tar on the floor, long long ago so not much of it was readable. This was before the age of digital cameras so I didn't get a picture of it to try and get any info from it. I have never asked for an IBM card for the car either, but the car has manual brakes, manual steering, and no options except for a V8, powerflite, radio, heater.



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Posted 2019-12-08 5:18 AM (#591266 - in reply to #591262)
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Thanks Nathan!


56D500boy - 2019-12-07 10:50 PM

Never mind, I can't change the title of the thread so we are stuck with what we have.



probably Wizard could do it, but it's your thread

56D500boy - 2019-12-07 10:50 PM

Or you and Igor could have started your own 1956 Chrysler LA IBM card decoding thread



I think we don't have enough info to understand each brand separately.
Maybe in the future but not yet. Unless it bothers you.



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Posted 2019-12-08 10:15 AM (#591273 - in reply to #555178)
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Hello Nathan (Powerflite). Thank for posting the picture of your cowl tag. Paint 607 = Wedgewood Blue, Trim 505 = Blue Cloth and Vinyl, Body Type 854 – is this 2door Sedan?

M8 = 3 and M9 = 8… Too many cars have M8 = 3 combos… If simply drop in mind optional codes, built cards, etc. Is it maybe a conventional heater? «3» for Plymouths and Dodges, «4» for DeSotos and Chryslers and differences between numbers means Models of heater: DeSoto – Mopar 702, Chrysler – Mopar 700 etc.

As Nathan told us, this car has Powerflite, Heater and Radio as optional equipment only. Built tag shows M8 = 3 and M9 = 8. Therefore these options must be contains it. Most Dodges cowl tags, that I have seen, were equipped with Powerflite and Heater and have stamped M8 = 3 on it. If anybody seen LA cowl tag of car with manual transmission and posted the picture in the thread, we would be compare it and say – what combo «M8 = 3» does it mean: Powerflite or Heater. So, next M9 = 8 combination of this car – is the Radio code. Dave, are you sure 100% that your car has NO radio from the factory? What about «M9 = 4» on your cowl tag? Are you first owner? Maybe somebody deleted or changed Radio before you bought the Dodge? For example Robert (Windsor Nassau) and Dieter (New Yorker Newport shown above) cars have «M8 = 3» Radio Music Master both.

P.S. Robert – to continue the theme about SG1 = Solex Glass. In next, 1957 season, option «Shaded Rear Window» (or Back Lite) was offered. Maybe «SG5» is it, or «Shaded Windshield» - see attached pictures.

P.S. Dave, I think «??? FRONT COMPARTMENT» in the build sheet means «LIGHTS – FRONT COMPARTMENT», which includes:
Parking Brake Warning Light, Map Light, Glove Box Light and Courtesy Light, i.e. Light Package if shorter… you may add to your list…




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Posted 2019-12-08 11:35 AM (#591274 - in reply to #591273)
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frwl - 2019-12-08 4:15 PM

M8 = 3 and M9 = 8… Too many cars have M8 = 3 combos… If simply drop in mind optional codes, built cards, etc. Is it maybe a conventional heater? «3» for Plymouths and Dodges, «4» for DeSotos and Chryslers and differences between numbers means Models of heater: DeSoto – Mopar 702, Chrysler – Mopar 700 etc.

and say – what combo «M8 = 3» does it mean: Powerflite or Heater.



nope - Windsor M8-8, NewYorker M8-4. Same powerflite and heater

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Posted 2019-12-08 2:27 PM (#591282 - in reply to #591274)
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Because it is potentially clear that the Blank IBM card that was previously posted was a) and LA Plant IBM card and b) it wasn't just a 56 Dodge card but also a 56 Plymouth card (because all the paints names listed are Plymouth names not Dodge paint names), I've used the 56 Plymouth order form to help interpret some of the hard to read parts of the card. I wasn't completely successful but it is better. I am now going to use the 56 Plymouth order form codes to help figure out the item numbers on the IBM card, right or wrong.

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Posted 2019-12-08 3:20 PM (#591287 - in reply to #591282)
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Okay. I printed off the 56 Plymouth order form and went through it with the 56 LA Plant IBM card and got most but not all of the codes. There are still some missing (maybe there is another sheet to the 56 Plymouth order form hiding out there in the universe (??)).

So starting with this:



And using the improved LA IBM card, I did the following (in doing so, I think I found the answer to the yellow high lit "Compartment" issue = LIGHT - Front Compartment, code 452 on the Plymouth sheet):





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Posted 2019-12-09 10:48 AM (#591315 - in reply to #591287)
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original codes that I can read



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Posted 2019-12-09 1:47 PM (#591331 - in reply to #591315)
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Dave, 421-425 Sportone - it does not fit,
fits the puzzle 421-425 Molding Pkg

it seems that the codes are set ascending, low to high

I suppose that rearview mirror does not fit too



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Posted 2019-12-09 3:12 PM (#591341 - in reply to #591315)
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I filled in some numbers based on guessing from the 56 Plymouth order form.

I can see now that the IBM card was not as precise as it could be but then again, it was flexible.

Example:

Heavy Duty Package: The IBM card just says "34". I presume because there was two Heavy duty options, i.e. 341 for manual transmission cars and 342 for Powerflite cars. On that basis, I would expect a 1 or 2 in column 34 if the car got the Heavy duty package.

There were also other "34" series codes. For example, I think if the car was ordered as a six cylinder manual transmission taxi, the codes that might be punched in column 34 would have been:

1 (for heavy duty), 4 (for Governor, handy, 6 cyl only), 5 (for dome light switch on all four doors), 6 (for the 20 gal gas tank), 7 (for the city traffic carb ), 8 (for the universal (taxi cab only) lock cylinder/keys)
and maybe 9 (for the Pull to open right rear door handle). So 341, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348 and 349. All interpreted via punches in column 34.

Moving closed to home, e.g. my 56 Dodge, I have three option punches in column 35. I've always thought of them as option packages 1, 4 and 7 but now, taking a closer look, I think that might be wrong.

I have been helping someone with a manual/overdrive 56 Dodge so I know that he has a "2" for transmission, i.e. 352 from the 56 Plymouth order form. In contrast, my car has a "3" for transmission (353 = Powerflite).

My car also has Power Steering (351), and Power Brakes (365 - hmmm not column 35 but 36?) and a heater (with defroster) so it should be 355 (but I think I have a 4 in column 35 so this theory is breaking down )

My head hurts.




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Posted 2019-12-09 3:23 PM (#591344 - in reply to #591341)
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We have more than at the beginning, but we need more examples...
I asked Dieter for his decoding letter from Chrysler Historical. It's certainly something to help.
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Posted 2019-12-09 3:37 PM (#591346 - in reply to #588517)
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frwl - 2019-12-08 4:15 PM
P.S. Robert – to continue the theme about SG1 = Solex Glass. In next, 1957 season, option «Shaded Rear Window» (or Back Lite) was offered. Maybe «SG5» is it, or «Shaded Windshield» - see attached pictures.




i prefer it:


frwl - 2019-10-07 10:09 PM

SG = 1 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows (Code 361)
SG = 2 = Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield only (Code 362)
SG = 4 = Solex Tinted Glass
SG = 5 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows and Sun Cap Visor (outer)




....but I really have no idea
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Posted 2019-12-09 4:08 PM (#591349 - in reply to #591341)
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Just re-checked my column 35 codes = 1, 4, 6 and 8

So testing the theory:

351 = Power steering (yes)

354 = Heater, without defroster motor (wrong - I also have a defroster motor) (which would be a 355 code)

356 = ?? Sheet says Power Brakes = 365. I have power brakes so there might be a typo on the order form (??)

358 = Push button 8 tube (6 button) radio (no - at least no when I got the car. It had a full length radio delete panel (not just a little radio hole cover insert) - but there was a hole on the right cowl (not fender) where some aerial - I had assumed CB had been mounted so ??)

So one yes, two no's and a maybe

Is this progress??



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Posted 2019-12-10 2:30 PM (#591408 - in reply to #555178)
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Have one idea… thanks to Nathan aka «Powerflite»
His car has manual brakes, manual steering, and no options except for a V8, powerflite, radio and heater
Cowl tag shows M8 = 3 and M9 = 8 – see above

Assuming that M8 = 3 is 353 = Powerflite (while M8 = 2 is a 352 = Overdrive), M9 = 8 might be 358 = Music master Radio (while M9 = 9 is 359 = Search Tune Radio)
The heater code is 355. If a car has equipped with Heater and Music Radio both – these codes 355 and 358 are occupies M9 column together, and 355 + 358 (last 5 + last 8 = 13 – last 3, i.e. M9 = 3)
Because heater and radio codes beginnings from 35…

We know 1956 Plymouth and 1956 Dodge Optional Codes:

351 = Power Steering
352 = Overdrive Transmission
353 = Powerflite Transmission
354 = Heater
355 = Heater and Defroster
356 = Velvetone Radio
357 = Search Tune Radio and Hi-Fi Record Player
358 = Push Button Radio
359 = Search Tune Radio

So, according to this theory, what we have:

M8 = 2 = 352 = Overdrive Transmission
M8 = 3 = 353 = Powerflite Transmission

M9 = 5 = 355 = Heater and Defroster
M9 = 8 = 358 = Push Button Radio
M9 = 9 = 359 = Search Tune Radio

M9 = 3 = 355 + 358 = Heater and Defroster + Push Button Radio (last numbers 5 + 8 = 13, i.e 3)
M9 = 4 = 355 + 359 = Heater and Defroster + Search Tune Radio (last numbers 5 + 9 = 14, i.e 4)
or
M9 = 4 = 355 + 358 + 351 = Heater and Defroster + Search Tune Radio + Power Steering (last numbers 5 + 8 + 1 = 14, i.e 4)
There are many combinations in the M9 column might be…

P.S. Dave – for this reason I asked you about Rustyfender’s Dodge Royal 4door Lancer picture of engine bay…
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Posted 2019-12-10 2:36 PM (#591409 - in reply to #555178)
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Correction:

M9 = 3 = 355 + 358 = Heater and Defroster + PUSH BUTTON Radio (last numbers 5 + 8 = 13, i.e 3)
M9 = 4 = 355 + 359 = Heater and Defroster + SEARCH TUNE Radio (last numbers 5 + 9 = 14, i.e 4)
or
M9 = 4 = 355 + 358 + 351 = Heater and Defroster + PUSH BUTTON Radio + Power Steering (last numbers 5 + 8 + 1 = 14, i.e 4)
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Posted 2019-12-10 3:42 PM (#591415 - in reply to #591409)
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it's too complicated

EDIT

I checked IBM cards of both Dodges. It looks quite different.
I'm surprised... 48x, 49x codes?

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Posted 2019-12-10 6:15 PM (#591421 - in reply to #591415)
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RDP - 2019-12-10 12:42 PM it's too complicated
I checked IBM cards of both Dodges. It looks quite different.
I'm surprised... 48x, 49x codes?


Robert you are trying to make punches in all the columns correspond to an order code. It doesn't work like that. For some columns, it does but not for every column.

The one card that you are flagging is mine:



I have already found homes for all of the punches on that card and, for example, the 46, 47, 48 and 49 do NOT translate to option codes:

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Posted 2019-12-11 7:01 AM (#591438 - in reply to #555178)
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Looks like repainted in monotone Raven Black instead Raven Black below contour molding and Turquoise above contour molding (code 418)
It shows Solex Glass all around, but SG column is empty…





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Posted 2019-12-11 10:57 AM (#591445 - in reply to #591438)
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Dave, how do you read they numbers to the right?
see it works for me. The sheet and card codes match perfectly.
Dieter car too.
I think all these numbers are assigned to the special equipment code area. I don't know why the holes are so far to right.

Igor, it is interesting - M8=4 (like a Dieter car), but M9=2!
I can't based on this photo confirm solex.
I see a few extras: heater, power steering, radio, paint, custom steering.

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Posted 2019-12-11 11:33 AM (#591448 - in reply to #555178)
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From my experience with the '57-'58 cars, I can tell you that the Los Angeles M codes contain a lot of different options all jammed into each code. For instance, my '57 New Yorker has numerous options from dual rear antennae, 7 button radio, solex glass, rear speaker, rear defroster, power brakes, quad headlights, power windows, heater etc, and a lot of the New Yorker standard stuff like power steering & clock, but everything is condensed down into 3 codes: EW:5 (I'm not sure this is even one of the codes!), M1:4, M2:9. Also, the M codes only go from M1 through M6.

I'm sure that these codes became more condensed for '57 than they are in '56, but I wouldn't be surprised if multiple options are included into each M code like they are in '57-up.
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Dave, how do you read they numbers to the right?


Sorry Robert, I am not sure what you are referring to, an IBM card or a cowl tag? And which one?

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Posted 2019-12-11 12:16 PM (#591451 - in reply to #591450)
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56D500boy - 2019-12-11 12:15 AM

Robert you are trying to make punches in all the columns correspond to an order code. It doesn't work like that. For some columns, it does but not for every column.



your card has two holes outside the area,
the second dodge card has one hole outside the area
but the numbers outside the area match those in the options bar


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Posted 2019-12-12 11:41 AM (#591494 - in reply to #555178)
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The 56 DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman 2door Hardtop (body type 36) built card
With numbers 3, 5, 4, 4 inside area
No information about optional equipment
Might be it useless, but just for comparing…




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Posted 2019-12-12 12:56 PM (#591497 - in reply to #591448)
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frwl - 2019-12-10 8:30 PM

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Have one idea… thanks to Nathan aka «Powerflite»
His car has manual brakes, manual steering, and no options except for a V8, powerflite, radio and heater
Cowl tag shows M8 = 3 and M9 = 8 – see above

Assuming that M8 = 3 is 353 = Powerflite (while M8 = 2 is a 352 = Overdrive), M9 = 8 might be 358 = Music master Radio (while M9 = 9 is 359 = Search Tune Radio)
The heater code is 355. If a car has equipped with Heater and Music Radio both – these codes 355 and 358 are occupies M9 column together, and 355 + 358 (last 5 + last 8 = 13 – last 3, i.e. M9 = 3)
Because heater and radio codes beginnings from 35…

(...)




Powerflite - 2019-12-11 5:33 PM

From my experience with the '57-'58 cars, I can tell you that the Los Angeles M codes contain a lot of different options all jammed into each code. For instance, my '57 New Yorker has numerous options from dual rear antennae, 7 button radio, solex glass, rear speaker, rear defroster, power brakes, quad headlights, power windows, heater etc, and a lot of the New Yorker standard stuff like power steering & clock, but everything is condensed down into 3 codes: EW:5 (I'm not sure this is even one of the codes!), M1:4, M2:9. Also, the M codes only go from M1 through M6.

I'm sure that these codes became more condensed for '57 than they are in '56, but I wouldn't be surprised if multiple options are included into each M code like they are in '57-up.



if it's true, decrypting M codes is very difficult or completely impossible
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Posted 2019-12-13 8:14 AM (#591530 - in reply to #555178)
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Hello Nathan.
You said earlier about your ’56 Plymouth Savoy:
«… the car has manual brakes, manual steering, and no options except for a V8, powerflite, radio, heater».
Tell me, please:
What kind of radio installed in your car?
Does your car have a rear seat speaker?
Has your heater equipped with defroster motor?

Thanks.
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Posted 2019-12-13 11:05 AM (#591533 - in reply to #555178)
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My '56 Savoy:
glass isn't tinted
no rear seat speaker
no rear defroster
I had to look at the original pictures of my car to see that the radio had no push buttons either. It had a flat face on it with fake indents where the buttons would go. Really cheap!



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no rear defroster


I think the question was do you have a front windshield defroster motor and switch?

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Posted 2019-12-13 2:28 PM (#591544 - in reply to #555178)
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Yes. I mean heater with defroster (Dave – Thanks for correction) highlighted in red on the picture below.
But info about rear window defroster very appreciated too…
So, summary what we have with M8=3 and M9=8 codes: Automatic Transmission, Heater and NO Radio – right?
Thanks again.

P.S. Nathan, Besides EW=5 (Power Windows), column M1 = 4 in your ’57 New Yorker body tag says that your car does have 6 Way Power Seat – you forgot it in your listing.
And M2=9, probably, should be some accessory group which includes Solex Glass, that absent in SG column…





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I'll have to check on the defroster switch, I've never used it. But I suspect that it does have it.
My Savoy does have a radio, just no pushbuttons on it.
You're right about the power seat in the '57 New Yorker, I forgot to include it. So you are saying that all the rest of the options are bundled into M2=9? Or did they just not bother to put everything on the tag?

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Posted 2019-12-13 3:39 PM (#591552 - in reply to #555178)
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You told that your car has equipped with solex glass.
This item must be stamped by number below SG letters definitely.
So, if SG column (Solex Glass) is empty, I just suspect that it option might be (probably) included in accessory group with number 9.
For example, like in this DeSoto Accessory Groups on the picture below…
Where besides tinted glass might be mirrors, sun visors, windshield washer, variable speed wipers etc…
But I have not reliable information about it…




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Posted 2019-12-13 3:55 PM (#591554 - in reply to #555178)
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Or this example, I have found.
It’s 57 New Yorker 4door Hardtop equipped with solex glass and power seat and no power windows (EW is empty)
SG column numbered by 5 (Solex Glass) and M1=4 (Power Seat), but M2 column is empty.
But your car SG is empty, but M2=9. Might be solex glass including in it
That what I mean…




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Posted 2019-12-13 4:31 PM (#591555 - in reply to #591544)
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Yes. I mean heater with defroster (Dave – Thanks for correction) highlighted in red on the picture below.
So, summary what we have with M8=3 and M9=8 codes: Automatic Transmission, Heater and NO Radio – right?


I don't know if this is all directed at me or not. My 56 Dodge has Solex glass all round, PS, PB, Powerflite automatic, heater and front defroster and NO radio. M8 = 3 *BUT* M9 = 4.

My tag (from the first post in this thread):



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Or this example, I have found.
It’s 57 New Yorker 4door Hardtop equipped with solex glass and power seat and no power windows (EW is empty)
SG column numbered by 5 (Solex Glass) and M1=4 (Power Seat), but M2 column is empty.
But your car SG is empty, but M2=9. Might be solex glass including in it
That what I mean…


I understand what you are saying. That makes sense, but makes it a lot harder to figure out. This is a picture of my '57NY tag, and indeed it has nothing indicated in the SG column.



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Posted 2019-12-14 11:48 AM (#591590 - in reply to #555178)
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you are trying to make punches in all the columns correspond to an order code. It doesn't work like that. For some columns, it does but not for every column.


Dave, you didn't answer my question.
Why doesn't it work? For which columns? How do you know that?
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Posted 2019-12-14 1:40 PM (#591599 - in reply to #591590)
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you are trying to make punches in all the columns correspond to an order code. It doesn't work like that. For some columns, it does but not for every column.

Dave, you didn't answer my question.
Why doesn't it work? For which columns? How do you know that?


I "know" that because a) I have been playing with my 56 Dodge Los Angeles IBM card and a few Detroit-built 56 Dodge IBM cards (different format) for a few years now. I have also had correspondence with a computer science professor in the US who happens to have worked in the automotive sector during his undergraduate university days and knows about IBM cards and how they were used on the auto assembly lines.

One of things that came out of my correspondence with the computer science prof was he made me aware of the use of IBM card "interpreters" which could be wired (either with patch cords or hard-wiring) that would move the printing of the information away (and maybe far away) from directly above where the punches were made:

REFERENCE: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/interpreter.html

Example (patch cord) interpreter:



A good case in point is column 35 on a Detroit 56 Dodge IBM card which seems to be labeled "ACC GRPS" (as in accessory groups). There could be multiple punches in that column (I have example 56 Dodge IBM cards with up to 4 punches in column 35). For the Detroit cards, the punches in column 35 get "interpreted" by the "interpreter" and printed in the appropriate location. In the example below, there are three punches in column 35, i.e. 1, 4 and 7. Those numbers get printed above box 351, 354 and 357 which seems to an organized and logical conclusion (if only we knew what options 351, 354 and 357 actually included):



If only the Los Angeles plant's 56 Dodge IBM cards were as organized as those from Detroit. Case in point, my LA-built 56 Dodge and its IBM card. It has multiple punches in Column 35 but column 35 isn't labeled as anything special, in fact it isn't even numbered (I've had to add the numbers). In this case the punches in column 35 are 1, 4, 6 and 8 (my car has much the same options as the Detroit-built car so the different numbers are a bit concerning). In contrast to the Detroit card, these four numbers are NOT printed inside option boxes labeled 351, 354, 356 and 358. In fact while they are printed in roughly the same (or similar) location as the Column 35 codes on a Detroit card, they are not any boxes, instead they "float" above those boxes. Worse the boxes that they are above have labels that are meaningless to my car. (hits head against brick wall until the pain of that thought is numbed).



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Posted 2019-12-14 2:05 PM (#591600 - in reply to #591599)
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Thanks for extensive explanations. It's very interesting.
But, it seems to me that all codes from the options bar should be read the same way.
I may also be wrong, but look at the picture (on the previous thread page) of my broadcast sheet and IBM card comparison - all numbers of the options bar have corresponding three-number codes. It's true some codes are incomprehensible, for example 344, but remember it's a Plymouth card adapted for other makes.
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Posted 2019-12-15 6:00 AM (#591618 - in reply to #555178)
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I looking through my collections ... here's what I have:

pay attention to code 481
IBM card starts from 44 and ends with 47
codes outside the special equipment area have sense



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Posted 2019-12-15 11:09 AM (#591624 - in reply to #591618)
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I looking through my collections ... here's what I have:


Robert: Can you post/share a scan of the entire page/sheet that those extracts came from? They look very interesting.

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Posted 2019-12-16 12:42 PM (#591693 - in reply to #555178)
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Robert: Thanks so much for posting those. Helps to make sense of both the Plymouth order form and the LA IBM cards (which must be actually Detroit Plymouth cards).

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Posted 2019-12-17 6:30 AM (#591723 - in reply to #555178)
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I have some speculations about body type codes.
According to pictures (Thanks Robert), I can see double-digit number codes:
15 = Plaza 4door Sedan L6
25 = Savoy 4door Sedan L6
Actually (on the cowl tag) they are triple-digit – see the Nathan (Powerflite) cowl tag picture above – BT=854

So, what we have for 4door Sedans (last number 5):
15 = Plaza L6
25 = Savoy L6
35 = Belvedere L6
45 = Plaza V8
55 = Savoy V8
65 = Belvedere V8

Or, if we are using triple-digit number, it might be appears (same 4door Sedans):
615 = Plaza L6
625 = Savoy L6
635 = Belvedere L6
845 = Plaza V8
855 = Savoy V8
865 = Belvedere V8

I just have a question about Fury: is it 75 or 875? Or rather 76 or 876 (last number 6 – 2door Hardtop)?
What car is on the picture below: Belvedere 2door Hardtop V8 or Fury 2door Hardtop V8?
I think this is Belvedere, because paint 671 - it mostly green, while a Fury was beige…




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Posted 2019-12-17 11:56 AM (#591729 - in reply to #591723)
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Igor, it looks correct

x4 - 2 dr sedan (6x4 , 8x4)
x5 - 4 dr sedan (6x5 , 8x5)

69 - 4 dr HT Belv 8 ( 869)
10 - taxi 6 (610 ?)



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Posted 2019-12-17 12:23 PM (#591730 - in reply to #555178)
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1 = 2door Business Sedan (less rear seat)
3 = Convertible
4 = 2door Sedan
5 = 4door Sedan
6 = 2door Hardtop
7 = 2door Station Wagon (Suburban)
8 = 4door Station Wagon (Suburban)
9 = 4door Hardtop

I think taxicab has prefix 5, because it is 4door Sedan too…
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Posted 2019-12-17 12:42 PM (#591731 - in reply to #591730)
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I think taxicab has prefix 5, because it is 4door Sedan too…


10 is real code from invoice like as above


it seems certain:

x1x plaza 6
x2x savoy 6
x3x belvedere 6

x4x plaza 8
x5x savoy 8
x6x belvedere 8

xx4 2dr sed
xx5 4dr sed

xx9 4dr HT

xx0 taxi special

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Posted 2019-12-17 2:38 PM (#591739 - in reply to #591731)
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I know you guys are having fun with the 56 Plymouth codes but trying to come back to the original thread topic, we are (all) having problems going from the codes on the IBM card to the numbers embossed on the cowl data tags.

Here is an example of what I will call "insanity" of how we might never figure the IBM to cowl tag translation: There was no rhyme or reason (i.e. intelligible pattern) when they combined two or more option codes together.

We might need this:



To figure out things like this (178+172 +173 = 176 Oh COME ON! How does that make sense?)

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56D500boy - 2019-12-17 8:38 PM

I know you guys are having fun with the 56 Plymouth codes but trying to come back to the original thread topic,


yes Sir!


56D500boy - 2019-12-17 8:38 PM

Here is an example of what I will call "insanity" of how we might never figure the IBM to cowl tag translation: There was no rhyme or reason (i.e. intelligible pattern) when they combined two or more option codes together.
To figure out things like this (178+172 +173 = 176 Oh COME ON! How does that make sense?)




but this is nothing new:

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but this is nothing new:


Maybe not to you but it is new to me!!

What is that snippet from?

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Posted 2019-12-17 3:54 PM (#591748 - in reply to #555178)
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This box looks like Enigma decoding machine of German Army WWII (LOL)

So, what we have
’57 Plymouth Accessory Groups: 17x + 17x +17x = 17x
Analogically for ’56 Dodge Accessory Groups: 35x + 35x + 35x = 35x, i.e. 351 + 354 + 356 = 357, 358 or 359…
But codes 357, 358 or 359 are Radio codes… so, this speculation is wrong…

From other side, if we are looking to the codes on the cowl tag in order:
SG1 = 361 = Solex Glass, EW3 = 363 = Power Windows, the next M1 could be code 365 or Power Brakes…

My database has three numbers below M1 on the cowl tag: 5, 7 and 8, if assuming that:
M1 = 5 = Power Brakes
M1 = 7 = Power Brakes and Power Steering
M1 = 8 = Power Brakes and Power Steering and something else… might be Power Disc Brakes instead regular brake

By the way the car pictured below has not Power Brakes and M1 column is empty




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Posted 2019-12-17 4:03 PM (#591750 - in reply to #555178)
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This box looks like Enigma decoding machine of German Army WWII (LOL)

My database has three numbers below M1 on the cowl tag: 5, 7 and 8, if assuming that:
M1 = 5 = Power Brakes
M1 = 7 = Power Brakes and Power Steering
M1 = 8 = Power Brakes and Power Steering and something else… might be Power Disc Brakes instead regular brake

By the way the car pictured below has not Power Brakes and M1 column is empty


Yes it was an Enigma decoding machine and we need it badly.

The June 26th built, 56 Golden Royal (D63-2) Lancer (826) indeed does not have either PS or PB, so M1 = blank might make sense

My car has both PS and PB and my M1 code is 8. I don't know what else would make it different than M1 = 7.

It would be nice to have a complete 56 Dodge order form with all the options and codes. In the short term, seeing more 1956 Plymouth order form and codes would likely help us.

My cowl tag:



The 56 Golden (077 paint code) Royal (D63-2 model code) Lancer (826 body code) cowl tag has SG =1 (and I see lots of Solex Glass), M2 = 4, M8 = 3 and M9 =3. I think that extra tag under the main cowl tag is likely to be the "Undercoating Tag"




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Posted 2019-12-18 10:20 AM (#591775 - in reply to #555178)
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In continuing of the theme about accessory groups…
Dave, your car has Basic, Convenience and Appearance Groups (same column 1, 4, 6 and 8 in the broadcast sheet)
If assuming that Basic 411 + Convenience 414 + Appearance 416 = 418, and it has stamped in column M1 = 8
Might be this theory makes sense
We have also M1=5 column (Rustyfender’s Royal Lancer) and M1=7 (the car that has been built later of yours on a three days)
Would be appreciated to know – what the differences between them and your car
What accessory groups have those cars?
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RDP - 2019-12-17 12:02 PM
but this is nothing new:


Maybe not to you but it is new to me!!

What is that snippet from?

:)



Unfortunately this is not Dodge, 56 Plymouth price list brochure.

Guys, look at the attachment, all Plymouth and Dodges have M8-3. This is a good start point.
We don't have enough IBM-body tag set yet.



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Posted 2019-12-18 1:55 PM (#591784 - in reply to #555178)
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It seems like Powerflite Transmission for ’56 Dodges and ’56 Plymouths (M8=3)
Need an example equipped with manual transmission to confirm it
For Powerflite equipped Chryslers appears M3=4 for New Yorkers and M8=8 for Windsors
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may PF, but why is different M-code for NY i Windsor? should be the same.
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I have based on the Detroit-built Chrysler cowl tags, they have numerical codes (S=4 and S=8) same as LA-built Chryslers (M8=4 and M8=8)

’56 Windsors:
S = blank = Standard Manual Transmission
S4 = Powerflite Transmission
S8 = Powerflite Transmission and Power Steering

’56 New Yorkers – a little harder:
S = blank = Standard Powerflite Transmission and no info about Power Steering

Later, (since February 22, 1956), when the Torqueflite was offered, the New Yorker’s (and Imperial’s) numerical codes have changed slightly:

’56 New Yorkers and Imperial – later:
S4 = Powerflite Transmission and probably Power Steering
S6 = Torqueflite Transmission and Power Steering

Therefore I think that Detroit codes S4 and S8 matches to Los Angeles codes M8=4 and M8=8, while Dodges and Plymouth M8=3 codes are different, but decodes a Powerflite also…




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This seems correct.I don't know these Detroit tags well. Are you absolutely sure that the 'S' code is transmission code?


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Yes, I am sure.
These Chrysler Detroit-built cowl tags «ABCDEFGHJKMS» are had begun since 1953 model year, and the letters «TUVW» were added in 1956…
During 1953 through 1956 codes has been changing, but column S always indicates a transmission code and Power Steering presence or it absence…
I don’t know why… maybe because the power steering pump has been mounting (to generator) on the powerplant with transmission assembly, before shipping to the assembly line…

Robert, something else. From listing of options of your car, I can choose some items:
Backup Lights
Glove Box Light
Hand Brake Warning Signal Light
Luggage Compartment Light
Safety Padded Dash
Windshield Washer
Prismatic Mirror

It is all Windsor Safety Accessory Group that might be coded as «1» in M1=1 or M5=1 column…
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Nice, so the M8 code we have explained.

yes, it looks like a safety group. Unfortunately, LA card does not have accessory group item.
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I’ll continue…
LA-built 1956 DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman recently offered for sale on ebay:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73230&...

As shown on the pictures, the car has:
Powerflite Transmission
Manual Steering
Power Brakes
Manual Windows
Power Seat
Full Leather Upholstery
Heater
Radio 9 Tube – because it has a 5 push button (8 Tube – 6 push button; correct me, if I’m wrong)
Rear Shelf Speaker
Dual Rear Aerials
Solex Tinted Glass at all Window areas
Sun Cap Visor above the Windshield
Inside Mirror only

The cowl tag picture shows SG = 5, M8 = 4, and M9 = 8

If SG = 1 is a Solex Glass as stated above in this thread, it seems like SG = 5 is a Solex Glass + Sun Cap Visor
I have a couple picture of cowl tag with SG = 4, but this still have a mystery… or it might be Sun Cap Visor without Solex Glass…

I don’t want to argue about M8 = 4 and M9 = 8, but interesting is next:

M8 = 3 and M9 = 8: Powerflite, Radio, Heater – Nathan’s (aka Powerflite) Plymouth Savoy
M8 = 4 and M9 = 2: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PS, PB – Chrysler New Yorker
M8 = 4 and M9 = 3: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PS, PB – DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman (not this one)
M8 = 4 and M9 = 0: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PS, PB – DeSoto Fireflite Sedan (M9 = 0, i.e. blank – I’m not wrong)
M8 = 8 and M9 = 8: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PS, PB – Robert’s (aka RDP) Chrysler Windsor Nassau
M8 = 4 and M9 = 8: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PB – this DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman (which one for sale)

Seems these options like Power Steering, Power Brakes and Power Seat (!) are nonstampable on the 1956 LA cowl tags…
The Power Windows only in the EW column…





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Posted 2020-02-14 10:41 AM (#594225 - in reply to #555178)
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I think you may have to separate out the upper end cars from the lower end cars, because power steering is standard on those cars. So power steering might not be included in the code on them. That seems apparent in the M9=0, so that power steering couldn't be included in those options.
I would conclude from your list that M8=4 is the same as M8=3, but includes power brakes, because power brakes is an option for all the cars. The single M8=8 must include all the M8=4 which has power brakes, but also includes other stuff not known about.
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Posted 2020-02-14 12:02 PM (#594236 - in reply to #555178)
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another De Soto and updated list



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Posted 2020-02-14 1:10 PM (#594241 - in reply to #555178)
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all Plymouth and Dodge have M8=3, but not all have power brakes.
M8 does not include power brakes



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Posted 2020-02-14 1:55 PM (#594245 - in reply to #555178)
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Nathan, as Robert noted above, the cars with M8=3 not all have power brakes
The ’56 Power Steering optional equipment for all cars, except Imperial;
The ’56 Power Brakes standard on all Imperials, Chrysler New Yorker, Chrysler 300B and DeSoto Adventurer
Although your logical is understandable: (M8=3 is a Powerflite, M8=4 is a Powerflite plus Power Brakes)
If we will follow it further, the M8=8 could be Powerflite plus Power DISC Brakes, it was standard on Crown Imperials…


Robert, thanks for sharing.
It seems that my guessing about SG4 is right.
The picture from inside the car shows the windshield is clear, non-tinted, and the upper molding was removed…
So, what we have:

SG1 = Solex Tinted Glass
SG4 = Windshield Upper Moulding
SG5 = Solex Tinted Glass and Windshield Upper Moulding

P.S. The new «old » picture with code SG4 to your listing…




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Posted 2020-02-14 2:16 PM (#594247 - in reply to #555178)
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Are you sure about power brakes being standard on New Yorkers, Adventurers and 300's? I know for a fact that it wasn't standard in 1957 on a New Yorker. I own a '57 New Yorker that didn't come with power brakes.
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Posted 2020-02-14 2:19 PM (#594249 - in reply to #594245)
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frwl - 2020-02-14 7:55 PM

Although your logical is understandable: (M8=3 is a Powerflite, M8=4 is a Powerflite plus Power Brakes)
If we will follow it further, the M8=8 could be Powerflite plus Power DISC Brakes, it was standard on Crown Imperials…



that's not enough infos to say yes

that's enough infos to say no



M8=4 - both Chryslers are NY, pb is standard

M8=8 - is Windsor,
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Posted 2020-02-14 2:22 PM (#594250 - in reply to #594247)
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Are you sure about power brakes being standard on New Yorkers, Adventurers and 300's? I know for a fact that it wasn't standard in 1957 on a New Yorker. I own a '57 New Yorker that didn't come with power brakes.






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Posted 2020-02-14 2:28 PM (#594252 - in reply to #555178)
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Odd that they would make it standard in '56 and optional in '57.
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Posted 2020-02-14 2:31 PM (#594253 - in reply to #555178)
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Yes, you are right: in 1957-58 New Yorker has Power Steering as standard equipment and Power Brakes – optional, but
1955-56 New Yorkers: Power Steering – optional and Power Brakes – standard…





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Posted 2020-02-14 2:44 PM (#594254 - in reply to #594245)
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frwl - 2020-02-14 7:55 PM


So, what we have:

SG1 = Solex Tinted Glass
SG4 = Windshield Upper Moulding
SG5 = Solex Tinted Glass and Windshield Upper Moulding



OK, but upper molding is standard in NY. Standard equipment is included on the body plate?
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Posted 2020-02-14 3:07 PM (#594255 - in reply to #555178)
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I think not.
Maybe it is standard on the top-level hardtops Windsor Newport and New Yorker St.Regis only?
Like on the ’55 DeSotos…
So, my theory is wrong?




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Posted 2020-02-14 3:27 PM (#594259 - in reply to #594245)
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Oh, it looks so simple, small cars have M8 = 3, large cars M8 = 4. But my Windsor has M8 = 8. What this is about?


frwl - 2020-02-14 7:55 PM
P.S. The new «old » picture with code SG4 to your listing…


Thanks, more info about this De Soto?
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Posted 2020-02-14 3:31 PM (#594262 - in reply to #555178)
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More info on this old thread. Scroll down...

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=72545&...
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Posted 2020-02-14 3:40 PM (#594263 - in reply to #594262)
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I mean SG4 data plate car
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Posted 2020-02-14 4:02 PM (#594264 - in reply to #555178)
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Unfortunately the picture only. No info about the car.
It’s interesting for myself…
And another picture of ’56 DeSoto, if you need. Bad to see, but probably SG4 car too. No info about this car too…





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Posted 2020-02-14 4:23 PM (#594265 - in reply to #594264)
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Thanks, first big car with M8 = 3.
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Posted 2020-02-14 4:29 PM (#594267 - in reply to #555178)
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Do you have a data plate (or info like in your table) of cars with manual trans?
Can you show me a full row for A/C cars in your table? (highlighted in yellow)





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Posted 2020-02-15 12:18 PM (#594312 - in reply to #594267)
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De Soto https://desoto.org/community/discussion/new-desoto-owner-with-questi...

SG 4
M5 2
M6 2
M8 4
M9 3

SCHED 1011
NO 4015
MODEL S23
BT 026
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Posted 2020-02-15 12:23 PM (#594313 - in reply to #594267)
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frwl - 2020-02-14 10:29 PM

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Do you have a data plate (or info like in your table) of cars with manual trans?
Can you show me a full row for A/C cars in your table? (highlighted in yellow)



sorry, no info about the manual trans

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Posted 2020-02-15 2:08 PM (#594315 - in reply to #594313)
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sorry, no info about the manual trans


I am in contact with two people with real D500-1 "race" cars, i.e. heavy duty chassis, 5.5 x 5 hubs and real Imperial brakes and manual transmissions (with overdrive). I have seen both of the IBM cards and can confirm that their transmission code is "2" as in 332 on the IBM card. I think that "1" as in 331 = 3 spd manual but no over drive.

The problem is both of these D500-1s are Detroit cars, i.e. VIN 35......, and therefore their cowl data tag is different than the LA tags that you two (Igor and Robert) seem to have found the most.

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Posted 2020-02-15 4:08 PM (#594321 - in reply to #555178)
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Thank you Robert, I got your excel table.
Are you sure 100% about this Plymouth (row#14) has equipped with A/C?
I have a picture of cowl tag of this car (see picture below), but no info about equipment…

Some correction to DeSoto in row# 16:
You forgot to note Power Seat in «other option» column;
Sched No. 0227 must be 4028 instead 4026 in «info» column (see picture below)
That is a question: Power Seat option is not stamped on the cowl tag…




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Posted 2020-02-15 4:26 PM (#594323 - in reply to #555178)
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Robert:
A well equipped DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman to your «collection»…
Of course with cowl tag and serial number pictured…

Power Steering
Power Brakes
Power Windows
Power Seat
Heater
Air Conditioning
5 Push Button Radio with Rear Shelf Speaker (bad to see behind rear seat on the picture# 4)
Dual Rear Antennas
Solex Glass at all window areas plus Windshield Upper Molding
Dual Clock – on the dash panel and in the steering wheel hub
Dual Outside Rear View Mirrors and Inside One
Kelsey Hayes Wire Wheels, etc…

The pictures says for itself…




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Posted 2020-02-15 4:42 PM (#594325 - in reply to #594323)
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Igor and Robert: To be clear, that beautiful Desoto (some woman must have picked the colours, etc), did *NOT* leave the factory with Air Conditioning. The A/C compressor and air distribution system (hanging under the dash) are NOT OE. Makes me wonder what else was/is NOT OE.

Look behind the steering wheel.



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Posted 2020-02-15 4:55 PM (#594326 - in reply to #555178)
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thanks, I corrected mistakes



frwl - 2020-02-15 10:08 PM

.Are you sure 100% about this Plymouth (row#14) has equipped with A/C?
I have a picture of cowl tag of this car (see picture below), but no info about equipment…



I'm not sure. it's a Daryl car, you can ask him

dludvik76 - 2019-01-28 5:18 PM

Right now, I only know it's a v8 auto car, AC, NO PS. I'm picking it up in a couple of weeks and doing some pre-research. You guys are correct, it is a white / pine green car as well.



Beautiful De Soto, I'll add to the list
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Posted 2020-02-15 4:59 PM (#594327 - in reply to #594325)
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Igor and Robert: To be clear, that beautiful Desoto (some woman must have picked the colours, etc), did *NOT* leave the factory with Air Conditioning.




you're right, Dave
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